We'll wait and see. In the mean time, we'd better stop practising our 'Sun Salutations'. And stop going to Indian bomohs to assess our political fortunes.

Posted by Fahmi on 29 October

wow. again about fatwa.
b4 throwing in my quarter cent.

previously:
if we compare the original article:
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/24/nation/2362908&sec=nation

to the blog post:
http://www.klue.com.my/articles/785-The-National-Fatwa-Council-Tomboyism-not-allowed#comment_1372

we should notice that some points r missing:
1) the author missed the phrase "that are against Islamic teachings" & simply quoted ""indulging in disruptive activities".(see the fullstop?)
2) The 'big issue' was poorly represented & inaccurately paraphrased: "Fatwa on tomboys" compared to "The National Fatwa Council: 'Tomboyism' not allowed"

These small bits & pieces (yeah looks insignificant) caused the issue seems to be generalized & lacks of target group, which lead to confusions & 'hot' arguments among respondents.

& regarding this topic (Yoga):

original article (lets put aside an article by David Chance who is not a muslim /*or Malaysian?*/ but questions about Islamic rules of an Islamic country): http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/29/nation/20081029162845&sec=nation

then try to scroll up & read the post. similar unintentional human error can be spotted:
"Fatwa on yoga out soon" but looks like a picture, eventhough doesn't speak a thousand words..only three..has jumped to conclusion: "NO YOGA ALLOWED" (but good enough ppl r more keen to read the lengthy paragraphs with small font compared to fancy words on a colourful photo with a sexy lady tree) and even today, the topic remains "National Fatwa Council to make a ruling on yoga" (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/30/nation/2408100&sec=nation)

i hope authors will be more careful esp when it comes to 'sensitive issues'.

ok. now my own opinion. Yoga can be practised by the muslim ladies or dudes (& yes NiNie, u can wear the adidas techfit powerweb too). I think there r 2 main issues:
1) As mentioned, the influence of other religion.
2) The guys love adidas techfit powerweb so much -on the ladies- ehem~~

So, i think there'll be no prob if:
1) No emphasis on the terms or simply be 'hati kering' with the spiritual side of yoga. We can opt for #9 pose or if there's too much to remember im sure we can call it sumthin else that describes the pose. (uhh last xmas e OZs planned to ban Santa's "HoHoHo" & replace it with "Muahaha" /*maybe?*/ or howbout just 'LoL') --> e bottomline is: for ur claimed to be health & fitness sake, they're just bloody words to describe things.
Successful story: A group of Malaysia capoeiraristas has been trying their best to avoid the use of 'potentially un-islamic' songs/practice (the songs r in portuguese anyway. so if Msia muslims happily sang "father3 help us, send us guidance fm above" /*BEP*/ some years ago, its better to be xtra careful with unfamiliar languages)

2) Let those with more hair be with their kind, & thou can do yoga with thy kind. (omg. howbout a "what if" question concerning the 'prev fatwa' & "if" theyre more than "behaving like"). Successful story: You think those fully bjubah dont swim ah? There r public pools for "LADIES ONLY" on certain days or they have separate sections for guys & gals (imagine toilets..)

So, if these r implemented i think there's nothing wrong with yoga.

p.s.: for point no2 tho (b4 some blokes send a petition for str8 guys' right to 'observe' the beauty of 'god's creation'), if d authority 'terjah' any yoga class, they also should pick up (as in arrest) other women with same type of clothing in e shopping complex, along e streets, on e beachside...--> Next fatwa: Shortage of women - Men shall NOT be Gay.

Posted by yea call me nerd on 30 October

looks like everyone is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT..well, based on what they have in their mind actually.

gotta agree with michelle's #1. it's not too late to get the NFC & yoga practitioners together so they can clear up any misunderstanding e.g. d NFC might think yoga is about doing fancy poses while uttering mantra, while yoga practitioner thought the fatwa ruling is going to be a TOTAL BAN. And i also agree with what yea call me nerd said regarding how yoga can be practiced by muslims without getting special attention from d NFC.

In addressing Michelle's concern about this being a sensitive issue, i hope she does not mind reading the comments on Marina Mahathir's blog. It has indeed triggered feud between muslims & non-muslims. One even questioned about prophet Muhammad & the holy Quran. But to blame him/her is not appropriate since from what we can observe these days there are different levels of acceptance or even knowledge on Islam among the muslims.
For example I am quite shocked reading Marina's view on the tomboy issue & it was supported by a few muslim women bloggers. Interestingly someone stressed that their arguments do not make sense (& also touches other issue such as taking alcoholic drinks) since it is clearly haram according to Islam.
Yet if it is obvious, why did Marina & few other muslims agree to the same opinion? Do they refuse to accept the fact/ just ignorant, misunderstood the teaching/ simply do not know/ unaware of but still refuse to learn? A simple test is to ask any muslim women who does not wear the hijab (tudung/headscarf): why? The most acceptable but pitiful answer is: "I do not know it is compulsory in Islam"
If even among muslims who have been labelling themselves as muslims or have the status in their MyKad as Islam, face this scenario, it is common sense that those who have been embracing other religion know their religion better than knowing islam. So here's where the respect & equality should be. Some things MUST be debated with pure knowledge & facts instead of simply relying rationale & logic. An analogy: If standard 1 students are asked 3-8=?, common answer is it's not possible because most of them rationalize. But try to ask the same question when they are in form 1. they'll give us negative number as an answer because they are knowledgeable.

with respect to Michelle's #4, as I highlighted previously there are different levels of acceptance (eventhough some things are actually compulsory to be followed) & knowledge among the muslims. It is not about suspicion or doubt but to emphasize on a better understanding of islam based on discussion among knowledgeable islam experts (ulama). Hence, the fatwa is ruled in hope there will be no party trying to manipulate the religion for own purposes (unless we are suspicious about those in NFC). However, sadly some people, namely muslims who refuse to accept the fact or admit their lack of knowledge in Islam still able to get away by hiding under so called human rights, using the non-muslims as tools for their escape. But instead of going against these manipulators, most fell trap to their act of innocence & bashed d NFC (such manipulators are called 'Munafik' in islam and yes, they have sense of hypocrisy). Thus the same questions echo again: Where's the respect? Where's the justice (not just equality)?

Posted by same ip different id on 31 October

India is Cradle of knowledge for Man Kind

SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim should not use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.

2. Muslim shouldn’t practice NLP

3. Muslim shouldn’t use 'pi' formula.

4. Muslim shouldn’t use 'Chess Game'.

5. Muslim shouldn’t use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.

6. Muslim shouldn’t use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human's endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.

7. Muslim shouldn’t use curry to cook.

8. Muslim shouldn’t cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'

9. Muslim shouldn’t R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.

10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.

11. Muslim shouldn’t use / do anything.

THE TRUTH IS ONLY ONE MAN PRESENT DIFFERENTLY

I highly suggest and urge JAKIM for the following FATWA:
1. Fatwa ban on all sports which remove skurfs (TUDUNG)
2. Fatwa ban on women/girls who take part sports which only wearing swim suite & underware (gymnastic).
3. Fatwa ban on women who wear shorts like Badminton.
4. Fatwa ban facebook for muslim who expose photos to public.
5. Fatwa ban for medical student who have expose and explorer both sex human body.
6. Fatwa ban for all Malaysian MOVIE which expose BODY from release for market.
7. Fatwa ban for all TV show which singing, dance, games which mere exposing body, action, talks which beyond ethic.
8. Fatwa ban for all liquar company like Calrsbeg, Guiness, etc. Ask them stop operation immediately.
9. Fatwa ban for all cigarate firm.
10. Fatwa ban for all massage/spa by rejecting all LICENCE.
11. Fatwa on muslim using the numeral which invented by Indian. '0' is Suniyam concept of indian nothingness philisophy which will leads towards Hindusism principle.
12. Fatwa from muslim girls going out for shift works.
13. Fatwa from muslim girls to go out without a family man together.

You know what will happen the land of lovely Malaysia will empty desert where not only Indian & Chinese will migrate but first of all Muslim Malays will migrate earlier.

DETAILS:
All reference here by Sanskrit (Euro-Indo) language document if refer by Tamil Document as original Indian language and only language qualify 11/11 criteria for pure language then knowledge have trace back history of kumari kandam which dated back 15,000 years ago. World's entire knowledge unfold from Indian Yogis breathe while in meditating. Proof being discover by latest researchers inside Indian Ocean.

Vedic Philosophy

The Vedas are the oldest written text on our planet today.
They date back to the beginning of Indian civilization and
are the earliest literary records of the human mind.

They have been passed through oral tradition for over
15,000 years, and first appeared
in written form between 2500 - 5,000 years ago.

Veda means “Knowledge” in Sanskrit which derived from Tamil Vetham.

The entire invention before and yet to come is origin from the source of Greatest Indian Siddhar, Yogi, Munivar's writing which arise from the result of practicing the Yogaa & Meditation.

A few to list:

India invented the Number System. Zerowas invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed inIndia in 100 BC.

Aryabhatta was the first to explain spherical shape, size ,diameter, rotation and correct speed of Earth in 499 AD.

The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects.

The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
Sanskrit is considered the mother of all higher languages but it has trace back to Tamil as oldest language. Sanskrit is the most precise, and therefore suitable language for computer software - a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987.

Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.

Today Ayurveda is fast regaining its rightful place in civilization.
Christopher Columbus was attracted India's wealth and was looking for route to India when he discovered the American continent by mistake.

The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. The word ‘Navigation’ is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.

In Siddhanta Siromani (Bhuvanakosam 6) Bhaskaracharya II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir Isaac Newton. He also had some clear notions on differential calculus, and the Theory of Continued Fraction.

Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine function about 250 years before Taylor.

Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series.

Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series forthe Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory.

Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days

Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. Bhaskaracharya II in Beejaganitha(stanza-20) has given clear explanation with examples for infinity

Theory of Continued Fraction was discovered by Bhaskaracharya II.

Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda.

Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula about 1800 years before Newton.

Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward Interpolation formula about 1000 years before Newton.

Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler’s formula about 400 years before Lhuiler.

Nilakanta discovered Newton’s Infinite Geometric Progression convergent series.

Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.

Aryabhatta also propounded the Heliocentric theory of gravitation, thus predating Copernicus by almost one thousand years.

The value of "pi" was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century long before the European mathematicians. This was ‘validated’ by British scholars in 1999.
Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were propounded by Sridharacharya in the 11th century.
The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 1053 with specific names as early as 5000 BC during the Vedic period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera: 10 power of 12.

Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like caesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery.

Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical equipments were used.
Detailed knowledge of anatomy, physiology, aetiology, embryology, digestion, metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in many texts.
When many cultures were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in the Sindhu Valley Civilization.

RigVedas (1.50), a hymn addressed to the Sun, refers quite clearly that the Sun traverses 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha. This is in fact refers to the speed of light.

The World's First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara temple at Tanjavur in Tamil Nadu. The shikhara is made from a single '80-tonne' piece of granite.

The world famous and priceless “Kohinoor” diamond, which is set in the Crown of the British monarch (Queen Victoria, and Elizabeth II), was acquired from India.

According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to the world.

Chess (Shataranja or AshtaPada) was reportedly invented in India.

The game of snakes & ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called 'Mokshapat.' The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices.

India's ancient achievements in Medical Science
Knowledge
Artificial Limb
Number of Chromosomes (23)
Combination of Male and Female
Analysis of Ears
Beginning of the Foetal
Parthenogenesis
Test Tube Babies ( from the ovum only)
Test Tube Babies ( from the sperm only)
Elongation of Life in confirmed Space Travel
Cell Division (in 3 layers)
Embryology
Micro-organisms
A material producing a disease can prevent or cure the disease in minute quantity
Developing Embyro in Vitro
Life in trees and plants
16 Functions of the Brain Eitereya
Definition of Sleep Prashna-Upanishad
Chromosomes

India's ancient achievements in Physical Science
Knowledge
Velocity of Light
Trans-Saturnean Planets
Space Travel to another solar system
Gravitational Force (Prashnopanishad)
Ultraviolet Band
Infra-Red Band
Tachyons faster than light
Nuclear Energy
Black Holes
Embryology
Monsoon at Summer Solstice
Entry in South America by Aeroplanes
Phosphorescent Trident at the Bay of Pisco, Peru, S.America
Aeroplanes
Robot
Atom (Divisible) & (Indivisible)

The 4 kinetic ideas behind Hindu Vedic Spirituality (NLP)
Karma
Maya
Nirvana
Yoga

Most worlds curry base cooking originated from India.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim who use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.

2. Muslim shouldn’t practice NLP

3. Muslim shouldn’t use 'pi' formula.

4. Muslim shouldn’t use 'Chess Game'.

5. Muslim shouldn’t use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.

6. Muslim shouldn’t use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human's endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.

7. Muslim shouldn’t use curry to cook.

8. Muslim shouldn’t cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'

9. Muslim shouldn’t R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.

10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.

11. Muslim shouldn’t use / do anything.

Posted by peace on 06 November

Hi (n_n)

I am muslim. Actually there is one major issue behind this issue.

The main problem of of this hold issue is most of us ignorance + have lack of knowledge on how the principles and rules in Islam works + concept.

There is a concept of in Malay - Niat tidak menghalalkan cara which means your intentions not the fee tickets to do what ever you like. Something like that.

For example, like Robin Hood. It is still wrong to steal although for good of others. Or not such thing as white lies (n_n). So what is your opnion? can you steal stuff which not belongs to you for sake of other people?

So, in this issue, the main factor is due to this concept. The action is still wrong although it is for health. From what I heard, those people need to say 'um' - something like that...hehhehe which is from hinduism.

Therefore is relates to theological aspect of ISlam.

There is still a lot of ways to be healthy right? Do you agree?

For muslim, solat is also some kind exercise (n_n).

Interested? So, you may have better understanding on Islam (n_n).

http://isuhagat1.blogspot.com/2008/10/solat-dari-kajian-sains.html

but there is still people sick? yaah.I agree. But there is more about how it is done. Need much longer explanation...hehheheh

http://www.islamreligion.com/

You should read this as this will give you more info to write review on Fatwa later on..The reason and the impact of the fatwa. Have a nice day!

Contact me if you need to know more ok?

Sorry for the lengthy comment....

hullabaloo_bard@yahoocom
www.helmiasyraf.com

Posted by Helmi Asyraf Abdullah on 22 November

Hi (n_n)

I am muslim. Actually there is one major issue behind this issue.

The main problem of of this hold issue is most of us ignorance + have lack of knowledge on how the principles and rules in Islam works + concept.

There is a concept of in Malay - Niat tidak menghalalkan cara which means your intentions not the fee tickets to do what ever you like. Something like that.

For example, like Robin Hood. It is still wrong to steal although for good of others. Or not such thing as white lies (n_n). So what is your opnion? can you steal stuff which not belongs to you for sake of other people?

So, in this issue, the main factor is due to this concept. The action is still wrong although it is for health. From what I heard, those people need to say 'um' - something like that...hehhehe which is from hinduism.

Therefore is relates to theological aspect of ISlam.

There is still a lot of ways to be healthy right? Do you agree?

For muslim, solat is also some kind exercise (n_n).

Interested? So, you may have better understanding on Islam (n_n).

http://isuhagat1.blogspot.com/2008/10/solat-dari-kajian-sains.html

but there is still people sick? yaah.I agree. But there is more about how it is done. Need much longer explanation...hehheheh

http://www.islamreligion.com/

You should read this as this will give you more info to write review on Fatwa later on..The reason and the impact of the fatwa. Have a nice day!

Contact me if you need to know more ok?

Sorry for the lengthy comment....

hullabaloo_bard@yahoocom
www.helmiasyraf.com

Posted by Helmi Asyraf Abdullah on 22 November

Great decision by the Majlis Fatwa. Yes I do understand what everybody is saying about this topic but please do respect the Majlis fatwa decision.

This is not just one day discussion. Every step and decision made by Majlis fatwa were based from research and understanding with the faith and health situation that followed the Islamic fiqh and syariat/law.

So if you start comparing what Hindus contribute, what Buddha contributes and every religion contributes to the world this will not stop!

Even ,I can contribute thousands of thing that what has been contribute by my students to the world but did not mentioned anywhere :-)

Just respect the decision by the majlis fatwa. Yes I do practiced Islam - Even I have friends that non muslim that respect every reason i give to them and this also same when they give it their opinion to me!

So if you are Muslim that practiced yoga - Again there is always an alternative. Just find the right one that suite you. Bowling also is not a bad sports :). But if you are still desperate just email ask me what I can contribute to help you!

Cheers.

Cikgu Nizam

Posted by Cikgu Nizam on 22 November